you don't even need a fifty percent win loss ratio i was a matter of fact i back in the eighties there are you know one of the most famous traders from the eighties richard dennis on a percentage basis ninety five percent his trades were losers ninety five percent but the five percent that were winners were monsters and he was able to take it he was able to put on trades at at a ninety five percent loss ratio and make it at the most at one point and i think nineteen eight seven nineteen eighty four hundred million dollars that using his edge or his money management or a combination